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[personal profile] tablescraps 2023-08-18 08:00 pm (UTC)(link)
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[personal profile] tablescraps 2023-08-19 08:37 am (UTC)(link)
( Mithrun is not so mindful of typical email formatting. For him, the way he is now, it might as well just be texts on your PC.

@ dv, huh. )


Yes. I have personal reasons for engaging in this beta. I'm not alarmed by risk to myself, or others. Changing circumstances may cause me weigh again Fragment's worth in the future, but, for now, I intend to remain.

Does this answer satisfy you?

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[personal profile] tablescraps 2023-08-22 11:37 am (UTC)(link)
( extra is good

Mithrun reads through the email with particular care, turning it over in his mind before he sends his reply. )


Query 1:

I would agree with your assessment. The information the public-facing administrators (Hien, Zelkova) and moderators (Pink) have access to appears to be limited. While it appears that administrators can request access to user data as needed (IE, Hana's inability to log out; on the forums, Zelkova indicated he could send her real world information to another user to help her), in line with your presumption, it does not appear to be information by default available to them.

If it is, they don't advertise it the way you're saying @ dv has. There are some number of things Hien says but I'm unclear if he believes. There are some number of things Zelkova refuses to say. Both administrators, however, appear to be relatively low on the hierarchical ladder. (Pink at the bottom, as only a user with forum privileges.)

Query 2:

Following the topic of query 1, I believe the game has access to our memories. This isn't unreasonable, given the devices effectively link up to our brains directly in order to function. We cannot process false nociception, sensation, or forced emotion without access to the synapses of the brain. There are two possibilities here. See Query 1-a.

Neither of these things are things I can take direct actions about, except putting down the game. At the moment, I lack the desire to do this, so I won't. I will continue to play the game with the expectation that there is this risk.

Query 3:

Following the topic of query 2, I believe there are three incidents @ dv is linked to. Or, an entity like dv, if there are multiple actors here. If linked to additional other elements in the game, their motive remains vague, still, but with more context than before. See query 1-a.

Query 1-a:

What do you know about @ dv that you are willing to trade for what my hypotheses, and why do you want to know?

Query 2-a:

What benefit is there for me if we exchange this information?


( It's not that he seeks particular gain - as he said, Matoba is not unwelcome to use him. But he dislikes instances that will inconvenience him later, and he dislikes being left in the dark. )
Edited (forgot shoka's username is @hana) 2023-08-22 23:41 (UTC)
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[personal profile] tablescraps 2023-08-24 11:19 am (UTC)(link)
I see.

I've written up a synthesis of my thoughts and findings, and I can send it to you.

But because you quite like clear terms of service:

What is the benefit I gain by sending you what I know?

Are we agreeing to a continued information exchange?

I look forward to your reply.


( Or so they say in the professional world. )
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[personal profile] tablescraps 2023-08-26 08:48 am (UTC)(link)
( He considers this, for a time. )

Fine. I accept these terms.

I've attached my synthesis below. While the text appears long, I personally consider it a bare amount of information - scattered facts and speculation. It wouldn't make for much of a thesis, never mind a real report.

However, an agreement - if we use this term - to exchange information of any measure is useless if we don't start out with a similar basis of knowledge. I've included what may as well be useful to know, and excised the rest.

Tell me your thoughts, if you have anything else to add to what I've collected.
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[personal profile] tablescraps 2023-08-26 08:50 am (UTC)(link)
While I haven't written off the possibility of @ dv being a disgruntled or malicious individual, d) is also my speculation, simply because it is possible.

Portions of the following synthesis presume the administrators are speaking truthfully. Because its foundation is based on presumption, and not verified fact, any portion of this text can be challenged or proven untrue at any time. Humans, at the very least, can lie.

Have you spoken to Zelkova much? It seems he's unable to lie to users. He's implied this to an extent on the forums, but in our conversations, and after a conversation with Hien, I've come to consider that he may be an AI program, or something similar. Zelkova exists as such within Fragment and is growing more dimensional in his character with time, per his own admittance. I wouldn't be surprised if he were one of many similar programs.

This @ dv could be an incomplete or corrupted program, or simply a rogue one. Additionally, @ dv may not be the only internal operator in Fragment. For example, the anonymous user who commented under Akatsuki's post some weeks back had similarly glitched text.

Additionally, in one conversation, Hien mentioned that the individual responsible for the issue with the revealing visions in the hall of mirrors (the building itself is meant to exist, per Hien), and the individual who issued pointed level cap gear (which is not meant to exist, like titles), are the same. Hien was able to identify this issue by sight, when gazing at the mirrors in the game; I was with him at the time. This could be @ dv. It could be another internal actor. Regardless, this user is able to pull information from our minds (your legal name, for example) and create visual representations of them (level cap gear, mirror memories).

Continuing the previous paragraph: Zelkova claimed that affects that alter players' mental states (falling in love, gaining aggression, altering beliefs, etc) are not intended functions of the game. Zelkova attempted to investigate these effects, but could not verify the effects to redress them, because they only trigger on, it seems, living players (by my own testing, they do not appear to activate on NPCs; or, by his own admittance, Zelkova). That effects are not meant to affect non-users appears to be intended behavior, as a glitch that proved otherwise was quickly patched out of the game. Administrators, consequently, are not immune by default to this injected code. Anything that affects players can affect Hien, for example. @ dv's nature as program or person could be verified if an affect triggers on them. However - returning to the point - because it appears that Zelkova cannot lie to users, these effects must have been injected by malicious actors - @ dv or otherwise - perhaps in the same way the abnormal heat has been injected into the game. Thus, @ dv or otherwise may be able to "read" (as a program) some level of information stored directly in our minds, as well as "write" into it.

On one further point, the special areas and their linked narratives (the poems, songs, etc) are intended elements of the game; at least, according to Hien, if he is an honest narrator. What is not intended is the experiences of the users therein: falling unconscious (Ganymede) or experiencing migraines (Hector), etc. The Areas themselves may be intended, but faulty code may have been injected or inadvertently triggered. It's also possible that unconsciousness, migraines, etc were not the intended effects - they were unintentional consequences of some type of code being executed.

Continuing, elements in special Areas certain users described as being there upon first visit (ie, the Goddess statue and rubble in the church) no longer exist - either despawned once the instance was exited, or removed by administrators. Additionally, that keywords were forwarded to players by an anonymous user may be unintended.

Onto your question: Hien may have access to our information in the way Zelkova does, but he doesn't seem to know it by default - at least, this is my impression. However, he's relatively frank about the fact that he considers certain issues encountered by users while interacting with the game completely false. He claims he "personally verified" that Hana was lying about being able to log out, and he was taciturn about the church, but seemed to take on a similar stance that those incidents are not caused by the game. (He was very particular when speaking on the church - he asked for particular specificity when I asked him questions on it.)

Whether he genuinely believes these things or if he's obligated by corporate PR to say these things is arguable. It's also possible that users like Ganymede, Hector, Hana, etc, are, indeed, lying.

The most interesting outcome is if neither party is lying: these incidents are truly occurring, and it slips beneath Hien's gaze - a gaze that can identify the fingerprints of a malicious actor just by gazing at the mirrors. The less interesting but more likely outcome is that Hien has been dishonest about what he knows.

However, his and Zelkova's understanding of the issues going on within Fragment is also limited. Additionally, per Zelkova, they are left out of discussions at a higher level. Zelkova is limited to in-game functionalities - not having reach or communication beyond the game - and Hien necessarily must occupy that niche in his place. They're above us in hierarchy, but only by so much.

Does this satisfy your interest?

Post script—

I estimate have a neutral or neutral-negative relationship with Hien. If @ dv is hostile to Hien, then there's a chance it may not look fondly upon me for maintaining this status. I would recommend you keep from Hien's good graces in public, then, if you're looking for further communication, as @ dv isn't like to come to me. Do what you want in private.

By the way, if you go to Hien to tease him with anything particularly sensitive I've mentioned here - allowing it to be too apparent I spoke to you about these things - and make it so that he is unwilling to speak to me in the future, I won't be collaborative in the future. I dislike being inconvenienced.


( I will kill you, in short. )

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[personal profile] tablescraps 2023-09-11 11:18 am (UTC)(link)
( The response comes a little later than Mithrun usually manages, even when he's playing Fragment. )

I see. I'll make note of this information. I wonder if any of these tie into the narrative "storyline" from the German texts.

In return, I'll offer you an encounter I had today. Oria and I were sent the keywords △ Hidden Forbidden Virgin Peaks. It was less eventful and less intrusive; it featured a castle set at the top of a mountain. The ruins of the castle did not seem to like intrusion, and cut off our air supply when approached and explored. There was an invisible wall in the very first rooms. Over the ledge of the mountain you could see every map available to us so far, including Root Towns and Special Areas. It may be useful in some way. There's no invisible floor, though, so you will die if you fall off the cliff.


( Speaking from experience.........? (He was testing it) )
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[personal profile] tablescraps 2023-09-17 10:04 am (UTC)(link)
( ! )

It's possible. I'll have to return to the Area with wings, then. Did you want to join me?
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[personal profile] tablescraps 2023-09-18 12:06 am (UTC)(link)
I think it'd be worthwhile. We have 24 hours with the wings, so we can go through all the special Areas. I believe there's also an Area with a broad wall...

( So much to explore!! )
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[personal profile] tablescraps 2023-09-18 12:56 am (UTC)(link)
( A date... He presumes he's being teased, but he doesn't mind either way, really, so he takes it in stride. )

All right. I'll contact you a little later this week.

( And then he dies...................... Don't you hate it when death interferes with your date plans :/ )
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[personal profile] tablescraps 2023-09-18 05:14 am (UTC)(link)
( ! )

It would. Who are they? Have you already done research on this individual, or should I?

I'm surprised you managed to get that out of Hien, though. He seems willing to talk a little, but not that much.
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[personal profile] tablescraps 2023-09-19 07:41 am (UTC)(link)
( rest in pieces hien........... )

I see. That you were able to get him to that point, even as another player, is still surprising. He didn't ban you or anything?

On topic: there is something I can trade you. But I think the thing I've found is worth a little more than that. Is there more you can offer?


( It's not that he thinks Matoba's information isn't worth anything - obviously, it is - but he apparently thinks whatever he's got is particularly weighty. )
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[personal profile] tablescraps 2023-09-20 02:06 am (UTC)(link)
( Enough secrets !!! )

They do. Though, before we proceed: are these "things" something you may be able to reveal to me at a later date?

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