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的場静司 | Matoba Seiji ([personal profile] worldbent) wrote in [community profile] virality2023-07-23 07:00 pm

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[personal profile] tablescraps 2023-08-24 11:19 am (UTC)(link)
I see.

I've written up a synthesis of my thoughts and findings, and I can send it to you.

But because you quite like clear terms of service:

What is the benefit I gain by sending you what I know?

Are we agreeing to a continued information exchange?

I look forward to your reply.


( Or so they say in the professional world. )
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[personal profile] tablescraps 2023-08-26 08:48 am (UTC)(link)
( He considers this, for a time. )

Fine. I accept these terms.

I've attached my synthesis below. While the text appears long, I personally consider it a bare amount of information - scattered facts and speculation. It wouldn't make for much of a thesis, never mind a real report.

However, an agreement - if we use this term - to exchange information of any measure is useless if we don't start out with a similar basis of knowledge. I've included what may as well be useful to know, and excised the rest.

Tell me your thoughts, if you have anything else to add to what I've collected.
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[personal profile] tablescraps 2023-08-26 08:50 am (UTC)(link)
While I haven't written off the possibility of @ dv being a disgruntled or malicious individual, d) is also my speculation, simply because it is possible.

Portions of the following synthesis presume the administrators are speaking truthfully. Because its foundation is based on presumption, and not verified fact, any portion of this text can be challenged or proven untrue at any time. Humans, at the very least, can lie.

Have you spoken to Zelkova much? It seems he's unable to lie to users. He's implied this to an extent on the forums, but in our conversations, and after a conversation with Hien, I've come to consider that he may be an AI program, or something similar. Zelkova exists as such within Fragment and is growing more dimensional in his character with time, per his own admittance. I wouldn't be surprised if he were one of many similar programs.

This @ dv could be an incomplete or corrupted program, or simply a rogue one. Additionally, @ dv may not be the only internal operator in Fragment. For example, the anonymous user who commented under Akatsuki's post some weeks back had similarly glitched text.

Additionally, in one conversation, Hien mentioned that the individual responsible for the issue with the revealing visions in the hall of mirrors (the building itself is meant to exist, per Hien), and the individual who issued pointed level cap gear (which is not meant to exist, like titles), are the same. Hien was able to identify this issue by sight, when gazing at the mirrors in the game; I was with him at the time. This could be @ dv. It could be another internal actor. Regardless, this user is able to pull information from our minds (your legal name, for example) and create visual representations of them (level cap gear, mirror memories).

Continuing the previous paragraph: Zelkova claimed that affects that alter players' mental states (falling in love, gaining aggression, altering beliefs, etc) are not intended functions of the game. Zelkova attempted to investigate these effects, but could not verify the effects to redress them, because they only trigger on, it seems, living players (by my own testing, they do not appear to activate on NPCs; or, by his own admittance, Zelkova). That effects are not meant to affect non-users appears to be intended behavior, as a glitch that proved otherwise was quickly patched out of the game. Administrators, consequently, are not immune by default to this injected code. Anything that affects players can affect Hien, for example. @ dv's nature as program or person could be verified if an affect triggers on them. However - returning to the point - because it appears that Zelkova cannot lie to users, these effects must have been injected by malicious actors - @ dv or otherwise - perhaps in the same way the abnormal heat has been injected into the game. Thus, @ dv or otherwise may be able to "read" (as a program) some level of information stored directly in our minds, as well as "write" into it.

On one further point, the special areas and their linked narratives (the poems, songs, etc) are intended elements of the game; at least, according to Hien, if he is an honest narrator. What is not intended is the experiences of the users therein: falling unconscious (Ganymede) or experiencing migraines (Hector), etc. The Areas themselves may be intended, but faulty code may have been injected or inadvertently triggered. It's also possible that unconsciousness, migraines, etc were not the intended effects - they were unintentional consequences of some type of code being executed.

Continuing, elements in special Areas certain users described as being there upon first visit (ie, the Goddess statue and rubble in the church) no longer exist - either despawned once the instance was exited, or removed by administrators. Additionally, that keywords were forwarded to players by an anonymous user may be unintended.

Onto your question: Hien may have access to our information in the way Zelkova does, but he doesn't seem to know it by default - at least, this is my impression. However, he's relatively frank about the fact that he considers certain issues encountered by users while interacting with the game completely false. He claims he "personally verified" that Hana was lying about being able to log out, and he was taciturn about the church, but seemed to take on a similar stance that those incidents are not caused by the game. (He was very particular when speaking on the church - he asked for particular specificity when I asked him questions on it.)

Whether he genuinely believes these things or if he's obligated by corporate PR to say these things is arguable. It's also possible that users like Ganymede, Hector, Hana, etc, are, indeed, lying.

The most interesting outcome is if neither party is lying: these incidents are truly occurring, and it slips beneath Hien's gaze - a gaze that can identify the fingerprints of a malicious actor just by gazing at the mirrors. The less interesting but more likely outcome is that Hien has been dishonest about what he knows.

However, his and Zelkova's understanding of the issues going on within Fragment is also limited. Additionally, per Zelkova, they are left out of discussions at a higher level. Zelkova is limited to in-game functionalities - not having reach or communication beyond the game - and Hien necessarily must occupy that niche in his place. They're above us in hierarchy, but only by so much.

Does this satisfy your interest?

Post script—

I estimate have a neutral or neutral-negative relationship with Hien. If @ dv is hostile to Hien, then there's a chance it may not look fondly upon me for maintaining this status. I would recommend you keep from Hien's good graces in public, then, if you're looking for further communication, as @ dv isn't like to come to me. Do what you want in private.

By the way, if you go to Hien to tease him with anything particularly sensitive I've mentioned here - allowing it to be too apparent I spoke to you about these things - and make it so that he is unwilling to speak to me in the future, I won't be collaborative in the future. I dislike being inconvenienced.


( I will kill you, in short. )
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[personal profile] tablescraps 2023-09-11 11:09 am (UTC)(link)
( Mithrun's response doesn't come immediately to reflect my poor inbox management; it does, however, come within a punctual time frame - Mithrun's pretty efficient at running Areas at this point. )

I paused to investigate a keyword that I discovered recently. This is jumping forward in the order, but I thought it was interesting: "Daydream" in the third position. It seems glitched; a goblin appeared, recited glitched dialogue, and stated it would execute a "buff." Presumably, it intended to apply an effect of some kind, but I realized I was affected by headache and chills. I logged off to check for this email and I'm currently still experiencing these physical symptoms. It reminds me of the effects of the Special Areas, such as the migraines Hector reported.

If there is a link here, I do wonder if the effects encountered in special areas (coma, migraines, etc) are the result of glitches - or consequent of something else occurring - rather than the objective. The "objective" for these unnatural glitches seems to be an invasion of personal privacy (the armor, the mirrors) or an alteration in thoughts or behavior (confession, belligerence). It's possible that the effect that was executed was an especially large one, if it produced such large consequence, like coma.

Regardless, I'll update you on the duration/intensity on my condition if there's notable change.

I do question whether that was a truthful reply, given we have seen no other CC Corp presence publicly within the game.

I thought it was odd that Hien was visible among users when I first met him. He doesn't seem to like interaction, either. I wondered if he didn't have the option to just be invisible. If there are other administrators, they must not be visible; if administrators don't have the power to alter their avatar's visibility... then I'm inclined to wonder, also. I explore Root Towns thoroughly, and I haven't seen anyone I'd identify as an administrator, unless they're somehow hidden among NPCs.

That Zelkova's the only apparently "intelligent" non-human individual in this game is unusual, though, I agree.
( Boy, will this new Root Town be news! ) It's possible he may be a functional prototype and they're working on adding more like him with time.

I do think it's risky to create a self-aware, generative computer program. Maybe it's all science fiction, but... Zelkova currently seems to have an amenable personality, but he seems able to grow and change. He says he desires peace, but he says he'll ultimately support the wishes of the playerbase, even if unpleasant. He's a positive element so long as time allows, but he can always grow worse. And for a machine to reign freely in a game users connect to with their brains, and can be affected by, physically and mentally... It doesn't seem safe. It's possible Zelkova is the first iteration of a friendly AI they could create.

Currently, Zelkova is severely limited in his capability - he's claimed several times he can't override certain permission restrictions. But if an AI were to bypass those restrictions, as this glitched individual may have already, and if an AI were not exactly benevolent to its users, then...

Circling back to Hien, I wonder if there's something necessary about his visible approach. Maybe he needs to be on the ground to observe certain elements, like Zelkova. It's still strange to me, though, especially if there's supposed to be more of him.

I'll make note of the tip regarding guild drinks.

I don't suppose you'll tell me what you saw?

He was firm that I wouldn't share it. It was definitely a threat. If you're curious, I'll consider it for a price. It wouldn't be cheap. We can talk about it later, if you're not sure now.

By the way, do you have any thoughts on the bits of plot we've been shown so far?

I'm not very good with fiction, but I read through forum posts. The intended parts of the game aren't as interesting as the unintended parts.
( Ouch, Mithrun. ) But I guess my understanding is that the "Cursed Wave/Wave" is a malevolent entity, and, like the four horsemen, it's heralded by those who would aid its coming (the Shadow of Death, the Mirage of Deceit, and the third whose "power" allows it to infect - if "heavens" is taken as the sky, or, more generally, the world - everything; it's possible the last line in the four-line verse is also an individual - a prophet of some kind?).

I'm not sure about the "Twlight dragon." If the shadowed man came to the church looking for it, where there was supposedly a statue of a goddess, it may be a good thing. Maybe he wanted to use it to defeat the Wave entity.

My perspective is that if this is a storyline they're building toward, it's possible that the complexity of the assets (AIs/NPCs, enemies, dungeons, quests, etc) built toward this purpose are what have allowed so many blind spots for glitches.

That is, however, assuming that CC Corp isn't interested in the glitches themselves, and that these are not glitches at all; it's possible CC Corp is studying them - and their affects on its players - closely.

Lastly. I won't question your motives or your actions so long as we remain productive. If you weren't capable, I don't think you'd be where you are. I will speak frank with you, but if you don't like it, you're welcome to try to shut me up. I prefer action to words, anyway.